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PT - Tammy Age Meme by Ai-Bee PT - Tammy Age Meme by Ai-Bee
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By *Tyshea and *Ai-Bee
A collection of stories about love between girls.

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Wowee, it feels like months since I last posted :o Have some age memes of our samsara side characters! Since we've already done both Sam and Sara, we thought this would be a great exercise for the other supporting characters.

First up we have Tammy. How I love this awkward beanpole! It's pretty adorable how suddenly she growth-spurts and no longer wants to be said beanpole. I loved playing with the waves of awkward and outgoing with her, because she is quite honestly a particular balance of both.

Alternate template by me; Original Age Meme by ~amberneely and is here [link]

:bulletyellow::bulletblue: See the other S&S Age Memes! :bulletyellow: SAM X SARA :bulletblue:
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xX-Your-Mom-Xx Featured By Owner 5 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
Tammy is so cute can I steal her .u.
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Ai-Bee Featured By Owner 3 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
HMMM just have her home by 7 she has homework :la:
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xX-Your-Mom-Xx Featured By Owner 2 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
Haha okay C:
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Awesomely-Happy-Hero Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hmm... I have a hard time believing she was meek around new people just because she didn't go to kindergarten. I don't want to seem all naggy and mean, because I really do love your art, but it gets kind of annoying when I see stuff like this... yes, she might have had a problem with strangers if her mother had actively kept her away from socialization, but a lack of kindergarten alone is not grounds for that. I, for one, never attended kindergarten, (nor elementary school, nor junior high, and I am currently not-attending highschool) and I'm one of the most talkative and outgoing people I know.
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Ai-Bee Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, I'm happy you're outgoing despite not attending public school, that's super great! But that doesn't mean no one else can experience what Tammy did. Her mother is extremely affectionate yes, but she encouraged Tam to socialize too. It was Tam's decision to embrace it.

I didn't attend kindergarten either and I was meek because of it. I still made friends, but it continued up and down like that until high school. Those are our own unique experiences though, her outcome and mine are different even then. You can't tell me I shouldn't have been meek just because I didn't go to kindergarten, because it happened, and that's what I drew from.

I know it might seem stereotyped, but it doesn't mean it won't exist. Using your own experiences as a the standard isn't fair to other people's stories, you know? It's not mean, it's just a little narrow-minded.
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Awesomely-Happy-Hero Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I get what you're saying, but it's still not fair to just put up half the story like that. It perpetuates not-nice stereotypes. I know many, many children of all ages who didn't attend kindergarten and are perfectly outgoing, and still others who have been going to school for most of their lives and are completely shy. Though, I might add, I also know many homeschooled kids who are shy, and many schoolkids - current or former - who are total social butterflies.

I don't want to dismiss your own experience, but from what I know something like that can only be learned  in extreme cases - like, for instance, being purposefully kept from social interaction. Otherwise, it's really mostly genetic. Heck, even my brother, who was raised exactly the same as I am, is about a thousand times more shy and introverted than I am, despite being exposed to the same amount of socialization. And I know this sounds really harsh but maybe your theories are stemming from an attribution error? I just still can't believe that meekness can stem solely from lack of kindergarten. In fact, your own statement that everyone has a different experience says that it's mainly the person, not the situation, that would lead to an outcome like that.

I'm sorry if this seems pushy, but stereotypes like that are actually kind of hurtful, so I really don't feel like I can keep quiet on this. I'm really trying hard to be fair here, but please understand that I'm not saying you should change everything about the character. Just maybe consider making the situation slightly more complex than "A happened therefore B happened".
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Ai-Bee Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist

So let me double check to see if I'm understanding you correctly; Are you not okay with the fact that I brought up her late schooling solely for explaining her bashfulness? Because for that I apologize. I didn't intend to, but I also know I didn't consider bringing up homeschooling for any of my other characters, and I'll keep it in the mind in the future because I do have other characters with unique schooling experiences.

However it still stands that it affects Tammy personally and I'm sure it impacts many other people still as well, including myself. The point is, there is a wide gamut of reasoning, whether it might be "an attribution error" or not. I'm not saying this factor single-handedly impacted my life or Tammy's, but it DID uniquely effect how early we interacted with people in public school. She also turned out to be incredibly outgoing, so if anything she proves your point that late schooling did not influence her. It affected me more considerably, and both are valid. I think it's harmful to silence and invalidate experiences just because it might 'seem stereotypical' or 'not-nice', please understand that. 

I will be mindful of it in the future still though.

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Awesomely-Happy-Hero Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying! It's not that a factor as large as where you spent most of your time the first few years of your life wouldn't affect your personality, but with issues like this it's really a better idea to go into a bit more detail about the other factors that come into play. Otherwise, no matter if you know that it's possible to be outgoing without going to kindergarten, other people might get the wrong idea.

I can see how I would come across as irrational and stubborn in this situation, I really can. But... let me see if I can explain this. With sexism in movies, the problem isn't a single movie without any competent female characters, it's that these movies keep popping up consistently. But it's easy to fall into the trap of getting angry at individual movies rather than criticizing the society these movies came out of. I feel like I've fallen into that same trap here. Really the only thing I could do in this situation is to ask you to make more alternative-school characters, but you're an artist, and it would be totally unfair of me to tell you where to direct your art.

Just, if you do ever end up making another character with a unique school situation, I implore you not to let yourself fall into that as a default.
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Ai-Bee Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awesome, okay! I'm happy to hear that! I'm also happy you acknowledged that with your comparison, I completely understand where you're coming from. And it's okay to ask me personally to see more, I think- I really strive for diversity and I want to make it a point there are more than what's shown here in this situation. I have neglected the topic even if I do have several characters that fit the bill. It's definitely not something I default to, but I am bummed the only time it's been brought up in my art lately is solely as a passing justification for something else, even if it does happen. So for that again, I am sorry! 

But thank you for understanding, I really really do appreciate it and I will definitely keep it in mind! 
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Awesomely-Happy-Hero Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
And thank you very much for not just immediately getting mad at me for not agreeing with you! So many other people on the internet would have totally refused tobe civil about this, and it's great that you're not someone who would just immediately resort to name calling in caps lock. It was a pleasure arguing with you! :)
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